When The Minimum Hits $2,000 I'm Finding a New Hobby

[Briguy1875]

Middle class with a pornstar or “amateur pornstar” and favorite. 4000, 4 hours. Dinner, hotel, gifts, flight. 5500-6000.
I’m getting a deal on her time. It’s not fucking for 4 hours. It’s fucking no restrictions for 2 hours.
I like the companionship aspect. She does too.
24 hours 10k.
I would much rather spend on one I like who is an awesome quality person than roll the dice on someone who I may or may not like the way they do business. Because to find out is costly. And this is where middle class is different. Upper class no big deal there’s always next week or tomorrow.

For me it’s next month. If it’s next month then I’m going to wait to see who I already know is a great time with a great body and pair of tits who will have fun doing ungodly things and encourage me to keep being adventurous.

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[SpicyPapi_056]

This misses point, though. More customers who can afford her doesn’t necessarily mean more overall customers or even enough additional customers to cover the losses she’d have from lowering her rate. Just look at the base rate of most porn star providers these days - $1,500/hour. If someone decided to target a different market and ask for $1,000/hour, she’d have to do 3 hours of bookings to make the same income she’d previously get in 2 hours without any guarantee that she’d eventually earn more. I’m not saying there’s no merit or gains with this approach but this portion of the conversation was driven by @connman talking about porn stars and high end companions not targeting the middle class. There’s also some cachet to keeping the illusion of exclusivity, even if it means overall less income now, to protect the value of her time and image. Not everyone is looking for volume.

But I feel this can work both ways. Let’s say the porn star kept her rate at $1,500. You could also say that the potential to lose income is far greater than if she lowered her price by $500. Simply due to the fact porn star B lowers her entry point $1000 making her more enticing. Sure porn star B would have to see more to earn more, but people would willing to justify the spend because they would see it as some kind of discount. Pornstars A doesn’t have to match her, but if she wanted to maximize revenue she would. Because you can make the argument women utilize grandfathered rates to those that have book with them frequently. So there’s no guarantee that her consistent regs would be paying $1.5K out the gate right? It’s probably why women will prioritize longer engagements if the entry point is lowered anyway or if someone is grandfather in because they know they book let’s say 2 hour minimum.
Meaning if a newbie (regardless of income level) saw two women both equally attractive to him he would most likely go with pornstar B. Exclusivity, or at least the illusion of exclusivity, is just that—an illusion. Nothing more.

Now granted: these women don’t have to do any of this, but most if not all will fold under pressure or lack of engagement. It is usually when they tend to take a break and enjoy some time off to either reflect or focus on other things.

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[Briguy1875]

When I am at the appointment with an awesome provider I have never thought about the money. In the end your buying time, access, and fantasy. If these are met with. It was money well spent.

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[SpicyPapi_056]

When I am at the appointment with an awesome provider I have never thought about the money. In the end your buying time, access, and fantasy. If these are met with. It was money well spent.

Absolutely! As it should be my guy! The logistics are a pain in the ass, but it’s always better to be safe than sorry!

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[Briguy1875]

I’ve been actually spending more to make logistics easier. So much easier to reach out and find out where they will be. Set up an appointment and everything can be done either within walking distance of the hotel or at the hotel.
Definitely my favorite place to meet is in Las Vegas. Minus the long flight. The hotel, spa, and restaurants still cost less than driving and parking in Time Square.

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[SpicyPapi_056]

I’ve been actually spending more to make logistics easier. So much easier to reach out and find out where they will be. Set up an appointment and everything can be done either within walking distance of the hotel or at the hotel.
Definitely my favorite place to meet is in Las Vegas. Minus the long flight. The hotel, spa, and restaurants still cost less than driving and parking in Time Square.

And for me, when seeing someone I always give a little extra or give a nice little gift make her feel nice. If I’m doing an out call I make sure we’re at least 4+ hotel for a bit. When do make plans with a girl I try to do at least 2 hrs minimum, because the women like the extra time and see you more serious about your engagement. Plus it’s less rush. My main goal is to leave a good impression. As it is always easier to book with them again.

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[connman]

If there is a large market crash, a la 2008, then rates might go down for some after couple months of low client volume.

I did most of my porn star dating around 2008 and I can promise you that rates did not go down.

There is also a reason that most porn stars and high-end providers give discounts for multi-hour dates, and why a single hour booking will get bumped for a longer booking. They want the client that is spending money and if they lose a few "average" clients, it doesn't matter. Simple economics.

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[Joel Goodson]

As quoted in the ancient texts.....

One must never underestimate the motivational power of the pussy

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[Briguy1875]

I did most of my porn star dating around 2008 and I can promise you that rates did not go down.

There is also a reason that most porn stars and high-end providers give discounts for multi-hour dates, and why a single hour booking will get bumped for a longer booking. They want the client that is spending money and if they lose a few "average" clients, it doesn't matter. Simple economics.

right at the moment the 2 providers I like seeing the most give a discount for multi hours and multi days. It’s not stated because it doesn’t have to be. With that discount I’m spending on the trip and them. Gifts ahead of the date, an itinerary of what we are doing and if they have any suggestions or things they want to do while there we are going to do them. I like gfe and to truly get gfe without any restrictions the wallet can’t have any restrictions as well.
This is money well spent. The investment in the provider alone is worth it. The safety with a provider is worth it as well.

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[Ithithos]

I'm ok with spending $2,000 as long as it's with CIP. But I will admit I'm going to be priced out of this hobby soon with the way things are going. I only see a handful of dates every year and budget accordingly because I'd rather see one provider that gives me CIP, than multiple providers and be wearing a condom. Depressing how the BBFS niche of this hobby is following suit with the K-shaped economy but that shouldn't be to anyone's surpise given it's a premium niche.

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[Lessthantwo]

For me it's not just about affordability, it's also about value. Even if I can afford it I wouldn't spend $200 on a candy bar. Think about all the stuff $2,000 can afford you. That's like 5 days in a row at the greatest amusement park in the world. I wouldn't mind occasionally spending that on a luxury provider or a Super famous pornstar but that becoming the minimum for an hour with a ordinary escort it might be time to consider wheter I'm getting what I want out of it.

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[SpicyPapi_056]

For me it's not just about affordability, it's also about value. Even if I can afford it I wouldn't spend $200 on a candy bar. Think about all the stuff $2,000 can afford you. That's like 5 days in a row at the greatest amusement park in the world. I wouldn't mind occasionally spending that on a luxury provider or a Super famous pornstar but that becoming the minimum for an hour with a ordinary escort it might be time to consider wheter I'm getting what I want out of it.

Yeah I agree when an ordinary escort becomes $2,000. It is really time to reconsider. I would only pay premium price for a premium experience. Simply being an escort is not indicative of that. A pornstar is probably only the group that I would even entertain that scenario. And personally if I’m spending close to $2,000 for an Elite Companion she gotta be super fine and I see potential to meet others in her network that I know I’d wanna meet. But honestly, there will always be cheaper alternatives no matter what because there will be women in the space looking for quick cash flow. The only issues is the quality of the experience might not necessarily be the best experience, but you tend to get what you pay for. It’s just… $2,000 is a lot for a lot of unknowns. That’s why i try to make the most of every situation. I try to just be grateful, and enjoy the moment for what it is.

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[Briguy1875]

Yeah I agree when an ordinary escort becomes $2,000. It is really time to reconsider. I would only pay premium price for a premium experience. Simply being an escort is not indicative of that. A pornstar is probably only the group that I would even entertain that scenario. And personally if I’m spending close to $2,000 for an Elite Companion she gotta be super fine and I see potential to meet others in her network that I know I’d wanna meet. But honestly, there will always be cheaper alternatives no matter what because there will was women in the space looking for quick cash flow. The only issues is the quality of the experience might not necessarily be the best experience, but you tend to get what you pay for. It’s just… $2,000 is a lot for a lot of unknowns. That’s why i try to make the most of every situation. I try to just be grateful, and enjoy the moment for what it is.

The unknown for 2000. That is where I stick to the known. And thankful for the known.

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[Joel Goodson]

You guys are crazy lol

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[hundredpac]

I prefer strippers anyway

The last 2 strippers I’ve fucked have let me hit for 300 and both were pretty hot lol. Spanish girls that don’t speak English though.

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[inspectahjamescahtah]

1. $2K is a lot but she didn't give enough context. $2K an hour? $2K for the day? Which is it? Most likely $2K an hour but more context would help here.

2. There are other alternatives. I heard Booby Trap on the River and Tootsie's Cabaret lets you fuck the strippers there, some as low as $150 to fuck for an hour. There's also other places like Tijuana as well.

3. Who you are, what you look like, and how you act around escorts will also matter. Many escorts are pretty set on their prices, but if they really like you, then they're willing to give you some discounts, or at least some perks, that lessen the steepness of what you're paying. Also, making a good impression also gets you first dibs on IG models who don't advertise and/or want to get into the hobby for the first time, which means she doesn't truly know where she stands on the market--which means you can fuck at a MAJOR discount.

4. As for economics, there's been quite a bit of uncertainty on main street for a while. Wall Street has been absolutely making BANK, but main street hasn't really caught up to it and hasn't for quite a long time. This is likely why a lot of these IG models and escorts are able to be flown out to places like Miami, NYC, LA, or Vegas and be paid higher and higher prices, while the average Joe's who just want to fuck a different pussy on a Saturday night get left behind.

5. As I like to put it: for many, you need to adapt or die...or wait. If you want to fuck now, you need to adapt. If you think this is too much for you in the long run, it's okay to leave. However, if you're like me...you wait. Hoe-flation is real and my prediction says we're in a bit of a bubble. At some point, it's going to pop. And let me fucking tell you: when that shit pops, you will see prices drop. I'm just biding my time fellas lol.

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[SpicyPapi_056]

1. $2K is a lot but she didn't give enough context. $2K an hour? $2K for the day? Which is it? Most likely $2K an hour but more context would help here.

2. There are other alternatives. I heard Booby Trap on the River and Tootsie's Cabaret lets you fuck the strippers there, some as low as $150 to fuck for an hour. There's also other places like Tijuana as well.

3. Who you are, what you look like, and how you act around escorts will also matter. Many escorts are pretty set on their prices, but if they really like you, then they're willing to give you some discounts, or at least some perks, that lessen the steepness of what you're paying. Also, making a good impression also gets you first dibs on IG models who don't advertise and/or want to get into the hobby for the first time, which means she doesn't truly know where she stands on the market--which means you can fuck at a MAJOR discount.

4. As for economics, there's been quite a bit of uncertainty on main street for a while. Wall Street has been absolutely making BANK, but main street hasn't really caught up to it and hasn't for quite a long time. This is likely why a lot of these IG models and escorts are able to be flown out to places like Miami, NYC, LA, or Vegas and be paid higher and higher prices, while the average Joe's who just want to fuck a different pussy on a Saturday night get left behind.

5. As I like to put it: for many, you need to adapt or die...or wait. If you want to fuck now, you need to adapt. If you think this is too much for you in the long run, it's okay to leave. However, if you're like me...you wait. Hoe-flation is real and my prediction says we're in a bit of a bubble. At some point, it's going to pop. And let me fucking tell you: when that shit pops, you will see prices drop. I'm just biding my time fellas lol.

I love this brother just come in here and drops facts then dips . But this is real! I’m pretty happy from the few providers I’ve seen so far have (1) let me have more time. And as far as the most recent one MSOG, and i could’ve had more time, but I had to leave. My uber was outside lmaoo

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[Hentai_Hibiki]

Couple of things I wish I would see more often is grandfathered rates (starting to disappear in this era) and incentives for longer sessions (instead of 2 hours being just double price, maybe time and a half or whatever works)

A girl who only incentivizes single sessions misses out on repeat client money. Example: charge $1500 and I’m inclined to see her again up to $3000-4500. But a $2000+ is likely gonna be one and done if she wasn’t amazing.

Not gonna say I’ll ever quit the game entirely, but when I’m excited to be paying $500 or less elsewhere for quality coochie in the future, I can say I’ll be glad I won’t need this market anymore.

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[tinman]

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I don’t think she is a pornstar but claim to be on magazine cover why does she think she can demand 2500 an hour ( and we don’t know how she performs in bed) ?

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[bruce0486]

It really feels like by the end of the year the minimum will be 2k. Unless they’re booking independently where the prices would be lower, but only a small amount of pornstars book independently. It sucks because when I got interested it was 1k but nowadays even small no name pornstars are charging 1.5k-2k.
There are regular escorts/elite escorts, but at least for me, I’ve been with a few and they’re just not exciting in bed. I can only think of a small handful that actually seem good/crazy in bed but they’re all east coast haha.

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